Gear lever vibration, 1.0L engine.

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Re: Gear lever vibration, 1.0L engine.

Post by T Roo » Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:29 pm

Rocadoodledo wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:11 pm
The clutch is certainly a lot lighter than the one in my previous car ( a mk6 Golf ), and I sometimes get a jolt when putting the car into 1st when getting going again after the stop/start system has operated. Consequently I've taken to switching the stop/start system off, although I suppose I should leave it on and investigate further.
Yep, sod the workarounds and changing driving style and it’s a characteristic bs, whilst it’s under warranty, have it sorted out :) .

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Re: Gear lever vibration, 1.0L engine.

Post by RedRoc » Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:33 am

Rocadoodledo wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:11 pm
The clutch is certainly a lot lighter than the one in my previous car ( a mk6 Golf ), and I sometimes get a jolt when putting the car into 1st when getting going again after the stop/start system has operated. Consequently I've taken to switching the stop/start system off, although I suppose I should leave it on and investigate further.
Sounds like either the clutch is not disengaging properly to cause a 'jolt' into 1st, or the gear shift cables aren't set right, may be causing the jolt in 1st and judder in 5th. Get them to check both out - some have had problems with burnt out clutches on 1.0's. Maybe they rushed the cable attaching during build and not set them up right.
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Re: Gear lever vibration, 1.0L engine.

Post by T Roo » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:59 am

RedRoc wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:33 am
Sounds like either the clutch is not disengaging properly to cause a 'jolt' into 1st, or the gear shift cables aren't set right, may be causing the jolt in 1st and judder in 5th. Get them to check both out - some have had problems with burnt out clutches on 1.0's. Maybe they rushed the cable attaching during build and not set them up right.
Good point. Although there haven’t been that many reports of burnout (as far as we know), it’s best to make sure the car you own isn’t one of them, so bringing problems to a dealer’s attention before anything develops is a good idea to cut off the “you should have told us it didn’t seem right” routine :) .

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Re: Gear lever vibration, 1.0L engine.

Post by davidf27 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:09 am

I also have the 1.0l but dont have this problem. But i would add that i find 5th gear absolutely useless. There seems to be hardly any power in it and generally go from gear 4 to 6. On flat for example, 4th gear is fine up to 45-50mph without stressing the engine over 3000rpm, then straight up to 6th where the engine will sit just below 2000rpm where the power seems to start.
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Re: Gear lever vibration, 1.0L engine.

Post by Rocadoodledo » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:08 pm

davidf27 wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:09 am
I also have the 1.0l but dont have this problem. But i would add that i find 5th gear absolutely useless. There seems to be hardly any power in it and generally go from gear 4 to 6. On flat for example, 4th gear is fine up to 45-50mph without stressing the engine over 3000rpm, then straight up to 6th where the engine will sit just below 2000rpm where the power seems to start.
Thanks for your input davidf27. I've only done just over 100 miles in my new T-Roc, all on the flat, there are no hills to speak of in Cambridgeshire, so I'm still driving very carefully. What with all the A14 improvement roadworks,mud,and widespread 40 mph limits in my neck of the woods I've barely touched 6th gear yet!
It'll be interesting to see if I experience the same lack of performance in 5th once my car is run-in and I can give it some beans on the M11 :o :shock:
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Re: Gear lever vibration, 1.0L engine.

Post by T Roo » Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:54 pm

I’m not really sure but perhaps the car needs some ‘bedding in’ time (gawd, I sound like a dealer ;) ). I’d get some more miles on the clock as soon as you can and take it from there :) .

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Re: Gear lever vibration, 1.0L engine.

Post by Rocadoodledo » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:46 pm

So I took my car in for an inspection regarding the gear lever vibration in 5th today. I sat in with the technician as he ran it up the road and he agreed that there was stick vibration when the engine was under load in 5th gear, which disappeared when he backed off the accelerator slightly, or pushed lightly forwards on the gear stick.
They didn't have another T-Roc 1.0L on site to compare mine against, but we did try a T-Cross 1.0L which had minimal vibration under the same conditions.
The technician tested the gear linkages for accuracy ( no tendency to jump out of gear under load, and no bulking or grabbing ). There isn't anything fouling the cables in the 5th gear orientation either, and the clutch isn't slipping.
So the outcome is that there may be an internal gearbox reason for the vibration problem. The advice I was given is very much along the lines of T-Roo's comment. As the 'fault' has now been documented I've been asked to drive the car as normal and wait to see what happens to the vibrations as I run the car in. After about 3K miles if there has been no improvement I should take the car back in for a more in-depth investigation.
I was hoping for a simple fix today, but nothing is ever that simple and I'm OK with the advice given, the vibes aren't exactly finger breaking, just irritating.
The jolting on start-up during a stop/start cycle turned out to be me being too quick on the gear stick ...... slowing down a little improves the restart a lot. The only effect that I get now is a muted jolt due to the torque of the powerful starter motor acting on a small light engine.
Incidentally I haven't noticed any rear brake mooing yet, but, like many others I have noticed some wind noise which seems to me to be lower down the driver's door than the wing mirror position. I'm thinking that it might be worth looking at the area around the door-stay aperture, and the drain holes in the bottom of the door.
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Re: Gear lever vibration, 1.0L engine.

Post by Rocadoodledo » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:05 pm

My car was in for its first service recently, and as it had done sufficient miles to be considered run-in they agreed to take another look at the vibrating gearstick in 5th gear problem. They did run it up the road, I saw them take it out, but I was flabberghasted when the job sheet said "no fault found" when the vibration was evident on my way to the workshop. I let them know that I wasn't happy and the service manager asked the head technician to take it for another test drive. He did experience the vibration, and VW were contacted for permission to investigate further, under warranty. VW asked for another identical car to be tested for the vibration, which they did, and no vibration was detected. So my car is currently in the workshop having the gearbox stripped down, the plan being to replace any faulty parts around the fifth gear, or if necessary, fit a replacement gearbox.

I would be interested to know if any other T-Roc 1.0 owners out there have experienced this 5th gear vibration since I last enquired almost a year ago, and there were no others at that time.
I'll post again when the problem has been resolved.
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Re: Gear lever vibration, 1.0L engine.

Post by Impala » Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:17 pm

I'm surprised they didn't accuse you of driving with your hand resting on the gear lever.

I would have thought fitting a new box would be the best solution - probably cheaper and it would allow the suspect box to be returned to VW for a proper engineering examination to determine the root cause. I can't imagine anyone in the workshop will have the necessary expertise and unless it is a really obvious defect they could end up taking several attempts at a fix and replacing components on a try it and see basis.

Good luck.
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Re: Gear lever vibration, 1.0L engine.

Post by Rocadoodledo » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:00 pm

Hi All.
So the outcome of the gearbox strip-down was that they found an abnormality with the 5th gear synchromesh which had caused wear to the associated components. The gearbox has been replaced under warranty and the gearlever vibration problem has been resolved. The car is now a pleasure to drive, as it should have been straight out of the factory.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone.
T-Roc 1.0L Design, Turmeric Yellow/Black
Act Displ, Nav, Dr Modes, R-Camera, Fogs, Pk Ass.
Winter Pk, Silver Rails, Voice Activ, Lumb Sup.
Ordered 21/3/19
St2 : 26/3/19
St3 : 18/10/19
St5a&5b : 13/11/19
St6 : 03/12/19
St7 : 13/12/19
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